Well , you get what you get I guess , let's wait and see the final product !! .

So many questions will be answered in the beta. Only about 3 weeks now.

I'm guessing that is going to feel like an eternity for the rest of you lol

power plays means the good players get even more cash than before

Cash is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how good you are. The issue that bothers us is the implication of a penalty, for doing well, and conversely, a reward for doing poorly. If I want more money, I should be able to subject myself to a penalty, like a Badge of Honor, not have it forced upon me for scoring beyond whatever ridiculous metric they decide to implement.

well i guess some people always have to find something to b!t_h about

Fawlty__Towers likes my stats card and my style thanks man

wow yaw must be some geniuses to be able to glitch inside a game

shiyera wrote:

wow yaw must be some geniuses to be able to glitch inside a game

I'm sorry, who is this in regards to? If you could clarify your posts that would help. Also, unless a large update or change from your last post, please use the edit option to avoid un-necessary double posts.

Thank You.

nobody wrote:

well i guess some people always have to find something to b!t_h about

In the regards of changes, I think people are in their right to be worried about some of these changes. The complaints, if they could even be called that, are totally valid. I'd say they're more concerns at the moment because no one has played and thus, can't complain until they do. However once that comes along, being penalized for having a good game isn't a "reward" to play. Some people play to dominate. Thats how they get their fun. Others don't care and its more the social aspect and just regular play that they enjoy. So, whichever way you go, this could affect people pretty hard depending on how these powerplays will affect each player.

people are complaining because when they totally wipe the floor with the other team, they might have something happen that could hurt their kill death ratio. its not like they are random events, to me the fact that it gives me a power play if i do good means if i get a power play on the winning team i did good, and it gives me something to shoot for, even if im beating a team, i know i need to try harder to get the power play to kick in, and when it does its a kick in the teeth to my opponents, like a mega taunt showing them just how bad they are

nobody wrote:

people are complaining because when they totally wipe the floor with the other team, they might have something happen that could hurt their kill death ratio. its not like they are random events, to me the fact that it gives me a power play if i do good means if i get a power play on the winning team i did good, and it gives me something to shoot for, even if im beating a team, i know i need to try harder to get the power play to kick in, and when it does its a kick in the teeth to my opponents, like a mega taunt showing them just how bad they are

I just don't understand why they would mess with a great system. The things that helped make Uncharted 2 multiplayer great were the unique things about it. Like no radar or not being able to change your class. I trust in Naughty Dog to make a fantastic game, but I agree with Endlo that the power plays give players that are doing poorly an advantage, and I really can't agree with that.

I personally can't have much of an opinion on this game as of yet since I haven't played it, I know I'm going to encounter issues with the power play system and all but other than that I'm sort of looking forward to this game, just trying to not get my hopes up for this game because we all sort of know that it is going to be a good game (at least single player wise) and I really don't want to be disappointed by an Uncharted game, they are just too effing amazing

mattmo0121 wrote:

nobody wrote:

people are complaining because when they totally wipe the floor with the other team, they might have something happen that could hurt their kill death ratio. its not like they are random events, to me the fact that it gives me a power play if i do good means if i get a power play on the winning team i did good, and it gives me something to shoot for, even if im beating a team, i know i need to try harder to get the power play to kick in, and when it does its a kick in the teeth to my opponents, like a mega taunt showing them just how bad they are

I just don't understand why they would mess with a great system. The things that helped make Uncharted 2 multiplayer great were the unique things about it. Like no radar or not being able to change your class. I trust in Naughty Dog to make a fantastic game, but I agree with Endlo that the power plays give players that are doing poorly an advantage, and I really can't agree with that.

how is power play something that has been done before? the way i see it power plays keep it unique

I agree, but you can say the same thing with the addition of radar and user-created classes (I believe that's right, I could be wrong about the classes.)

It's cute that you think I'm whining and bitching. Thanks for responding to a valid set of points, that were fairly well articulated by multiple people, with a one-liner with no effort, and that showed you really didn't even take the time to read what we were saying. Much appreciated.

The cash is completely irrelevant. My issue comes from the fact that these Power Plays are rewarding poor playing, and punishing players who are competitive, have learned the game, and choose to align themselves with like-minded competitive people. Sure, it's going to hurt my KD, and yeah, that annoys me. I think it's ridiculous to punish a player, or a team, for doing well, and functioning well as a group.

Do I think they'll change the course of a game dramatically? Probably not. I'm willing to bet that most of the time, the Power Play will be completely pointless, in the grand scheme of the game. Therefore, it's pretty pointless to even subject the winning team to a handicap they didn't choose to place themselves under, and reward the losing team for not being able to perform.
If they do change the landscape of a match dramatically, it makes them even more ridiculous, because again, you're rewarding poor plays, and punishing good plays, to the point of stealing wins, and granting undeserved losses. Either way, it's a pointless system to subject either side to, and the benefits for "overcoming" your dev-enacted handicap is a joke.

Just putting this out there once more...

THERE IS NO RADAR!!!

Charlitos wrote:

Just putting this out there once more...

THERE IS NO RADAR!!!

Oh.Not sure where I heard that then.

It's freaking annoying getting team killed. I hate it when that happens and I hate doing it. Why would I want half of my kills to be on my teammates?! I'm assuming that the respawn timer is back too so just imagine how much that's going to suck! Assuming again that this is all unvoluntary.

Before we get this out of hand *looks and Endlo and Nobody* let's try to remember to be nice to each other. Yes Endlo, he didn't read it all/understand it. Yes nobody, he was a little mean. I know what all of that is about and it's just not worth it to say something you don't mean. I've been there. It was freaking awkward. Just everyone be nice.

That being said I agree with Endlo. I see no point to punishing yourself. Playing U2 for a month. Playing Black Ops and basically finishing half of the leveling ladder. I realize it's all fruitless. It's like leaderboard rank, K/D or time played. Superficial records of the past vainly trying to predict the future. That's why Endlo says that money (experience, points, orbs whatever the hell they're going to be called) are useless to everyone. In every online game I can think of the best stuff has been unlocked pretty much within about a week of playing. That's pretty negligible. I have no doubt that there will be a skeleton equivalent in U3. There has to be. It just doesn't serve a purpose to some. The majority who think that it does matter (nothing wrong with that so please don't be offended) will love powerplays and try to work towards them. Chances are they'll ruin stats (I can see myself getting annoyed by this) and boost level. Pretty pointless if you ask me.

Endlo- wrote:

It's cute that you think I'm whining and bitching. Thanks for responding to a valid set of points, that were fairly well articulated by multiple people, with a one-liner with no effort, and that showed you really didn't even take the time to read what we were saying. Much appreciated.

Stop whining and wait until you try it in the beta.

This thread needs more Campaign talk.


As always, Naughty Dog looks like it is crafting a stunning single-player experience.

I won't be playing Uncharted 3, beta or otherwise. I have no interest in it. I'll likely be going back to MAG when I get my gaming stuff back.

Endlo- wrote:

I won't be playing Uncharted 3, beta or otherwise. I have no interest in it. I'll likely be going back to MAG when I get my gaming stuff back.

Yeah I know I was just playing with you, replying with a no thought one liner. Although from the look of Ratchets video you are going to be missing one hell of a game!

Endlo- wrote:

It's cute that you think I'm whining and bitching. Thanks for responding to a valid set of points, that were fairly well articulated by multiple people, with a one-liner with no effort, and that showed you really didn't even take the time to read what we were saying. Much appreciated.

The cash is completely irrelevant. My issue comes from the fact that these Power Plays are rewarding poor playing, and punishing players who are competitive, have learned the game, and choose to align themselves with like-minded competitive people. Sure, it's going to hurt my KD, and yeah, that annoys me. I think it's ridiculous to punish a player, or a team, for doing well, and functioning well as a group.

Do I think they'll change the course of a game dramatically? Probably not. I'm willing to bet that most of the time, the Power Play will be completely pointless, in the grand scheme of the game. Therefore, it's pretty pointless to even subject the winning team to a handicap they didn't choose to place themselves under, and reward the losing team for not being able to perform.
If they do change the landscape of a match dramatically, it makes them even more ridiculous, because again, you're rewarding poor plays, and punishing good plays, to the point of stealing wins, and granting undeserved losses. Either way, it's a pointless system to subject either side to, and the benefits for "overcoming" your dev-enacted handicap is a joke.

you want a valid reason why i didnt respond to your essay with one of my own. why i went with a simple sentence instead? its because i dont have a keyboard this is all being typed out with a ps3 controller, and due to ps3 limitations it is impossible to type anything too long

Actually, it's entirely possible to type out essays with just the in-built PS3 browser, I did it quite a few times while I only had my PS3 to browse, but sure, fair enough. You still could have mustered some bit of effort, or...posted something relevant or topical to the posts before it.


As far as missing out on anything, nah. Like I said earlier, I'm sure Uncharted 3 is going to have a solid single-player, and I don't expect Naughty Dog to drop the ball there, but I don't play games for the singleplayer. The only reason I did in Uncharted 2 was for the Skeleton rewards for multiplayer.

You...expect me to own...without you...? But why?